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Posted by Tr flamebalrog On 2005-04-06 22:40:10
In Reply to No... Posted by CinC snarkles On 2005-04-06 16:51:40

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On 2005-04-06 16:51:40, snarkles wrote
>Very few words that begin with h(vowel) actually begin with the ä sound.
>
>honest, honorary, etc. do... but almost every other h-vowel word (hello, halo, hoard, harrassment, holly, horrible, hyrdoplane, etc.) actually pronounces the hard 'h' sound. Those would qualify as "normal" consonant-beginning words, just like "just" and "like." :P
>

Well, things don't seem to be as simple again [1]...
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/hotel?view=uk states :
" Americans who drop the 'h' in 'herb' may also prefer to write 'an herb', but in standard British pronunciation the 'h' is sounded, and 'a herb' is therefore correct in writing. "
Tell me if I'm right : does this mean we would have to maintain different words lists [2] for American, English (maybe Canadian ?) because they don't pronounce words the same way (i.e. because "h" is sounded by some but not the others) ?

Wouldn't a simplified rule be ok ?
e.g. 1 : the rule used in a common implementation of the metaphone() function (by Michael Kuhn) which says "H ----> SILENT if after vowel and no vowel follows or after "-ch-", "-sh-", "-ph-", "-th-", "-gh-""
e.g. 2 : the rule used by the New York State Identification and Intelligence System (NYSIIS) Phonetic Encoder which is " 11. if not first character, eliminate all 'H' preceded or followed by a vowel ".

...Well, last but not least : am I going too far ?

[1] : for me at least... btw, before you ask : no, contradiction isn't a source of pleasure for daemons ;)
[2] : for your "dictionnary" solution

Also, though it could be considered as not related to our subject, I've found this on another site and thought I'd share :

I Before E, if Taken with Caffeine
"I before E
Except after C,
Unless pronounced A
As in 'neighbor' or 'weigh'"

Education is forfeit for reinforcing such rules!
Sound a feisty reveille while eyeing the schools!
Neither will our heirs be agreeing to deceptions
Once seeing, herein, these sufficient exceptions:

We were seized by a feeling
For fleeing on the ceiling
To a leisurely meal
With Keith, Sheila, and Neil

We drank madeira, so foreign, in steins
Along with a surfeit of weird blueish wines
Being foolish, took codeine, ate ancient proteins
Therein guaranteeing these ogreish scenes

Wherein we're canoeing to a new sovereign state
While deicing a kaleidoscope on a hot jadeite plate
And kneeing obeisance to an overseeing king
Our plebeian lips kissed his counterfeit ring.

Then we unveiled their sleight-of-hand trick
Deifying a heifer, with effect atheistic
And falling from the heights with a loud seismic crunch
We reignited the nonpareils we had heisted for lunch.

So I before E
Except after C
Unless pronounced A?
False decreeing, I say!

(http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t244285.html)

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