RE: It's BROKEN though!

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Lambda ViceCinC Enstyne

No, just that no skilled coders have found that the forums are broken enough for them to go submit patches for it. They have better things to create, they arn't simply "ordered" to go code something.

Also our backend is very unique. This is a substantial problem for anyone wanting to port another forum on top of dinah's architecture. For one it would have to be in perl, which immeadiately limits the selection of forum software that is portable. Alternatively API wrappers for dinah would have to be written for another language i.e. PHP including the actual porting of the software. Whether this begs the question if CA's unique backend is a disadvantage is another topic though. Also there's a certain effect I always perceive in systems with user interfaces where the people with little knowledge of the underlying infrastructure want changes (in any form). A lot of the little things build up to perform complicated overlapping sets features, in this case it may be the groupware 'topology' and how that interacts with brigades/projects etc, to state a simple example. How things look and the way it 'just works' doesn't accurately reflect what is going on underneath or the complexity involved in achieving it... especially if you've become accustomed to it. Perhaps someone who's good with other forum software can pull out the source of Forum.pm from the svn trunk and give us some sort of analysis on how easy the features would be to port?

Anyway, I personally don't see any problems with the current system. There's room for improvement, there always is, but I don't see why it should just be replaced entirely - especially when we need to start concentrating on bigger fish to fry.

On 2008-08-01 15:59:04, FrodBonzi wrote
>Except that it IS broken.... and are you telling me that with all the skilled coders in the CA, it's impossible to adapt another forum to our site?!?!
>
>How about making THAT a project!

VCinC. Enstyne - /sered Challenge Coder

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[Poll]: Open-Source Forums - Gamma Cpt FriSp 2008-07-27 15:00:16
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Alpha 2nd Lt Delvian 2008-10-19 11:59:47
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Ret. Gamma LtKer N3cro 2008-10-19 07:59:52
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Delta 2nd Lt kasi 2008-10-16 14:31:41
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Alpha Tr Robbie 2008-10-16 13:09:09
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Tr dev 2008-10-01 17:28:32
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Gamma LtKer enok 2008-10-01 17:27:21
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Beta Tr opt 2008-10-01 16:12:45
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Epsilon Cpt gmw 2008-10-01 00:30:21
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Rec sp00ked 2008-09-30 23:12:58
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Tr daniel 2008-09-30 21:56:55
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Beta Tr Redkar23 2008-09-30 19:33:30
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Alpha Lt Spudgun 2008-09-29 15:48:50
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Tr muaddibber 2008-09-29 15:26:19
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Tr Wang2 2008-09-29 14:35:40
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Alpha Lt tsenera 2008-09-29 12:12:25
- Voted for Do the CA thing and discuss it and decide to - Gamma LtKer samako93 2008-09-29 03:47:47
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Lambda ViceCinC Enstyne 2008-09-28 22:05:02
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Gamma Tr camel 2008-09-28 19:35:06
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Ret. Delta Gen anvar 2008-09-28 18:14:02
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Ret. Gamma Ker RJ45 2008-09-28 18:11:45
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Ret. Gamma Gen Penguin 2008-09-24 10:25:06
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Gamma Lt Myers 2008-09-11 20:11:39
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Alpha 2nd Lt rb525 2008-08-27 22:44:56
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Gamma 2nd Lt istill316 2008-08-13 15:56:04
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Alpha Maj purefreak 2008-08-08 11:34:17
  - It's not really "original"... - Gamma Cpt Ploy 2008-08-08 18:25:16
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Zeta Mar decoder 2008-08-07 10:40:57
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Alpha Tr Mafia 2008-08-06 17:03:22
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Ret. Gen Halley 2008-08-05 16:19:59
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Delta Cpt dopel 2008-08-05 11:44:43
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Alpha LtKer Venom 2008-08-05 03:50:35
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Gamma Tr k0rn 2008-08-05 00:03:45
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-08-04 03:58:35
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Alpha Maj h3raLd 2008-08-02 11:02:40
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Gamma LtKer MDalby 2008-08-01 12:30:15
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Beta LtKer silverknight 2008-07-30 15:56:15
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Ker sefo 2008-07-30 07:48:27
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Beta Gen WeWalkIn 2008-07-30 05:29:42
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Ret. Alpha Ker Thrawn 2008-07-30 00:48:38
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Delta Gen int16h 2008-07-30 00:38:53
  - RE: Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Delta Gen int16h 2008-07-30 00:40:15
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Beta Cpt Null Device 2008-07-29 18:00:08
- Voted for Do the CA thing and discuss it and decide to - Gamma Cpt Ploy 2008-07-28 22:01:01
- Voted for Do the CA thing and discuss it and decide to - Delta Cpt dopel 2008-07-28 03:09:22
- RE: [Poll]: Open-Source Forums - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-07-28 02:58:46
  - C) was too long frod :S -working to fix it -nt- - Gamma Maj Icydemon 2008-07-29 12:58:58
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Gamma Tr kasi 2008-07-27 20:53:53
  - Do big threads exist here anymore? -nt - Alpha Maj genius3000 2008-07-28 02:30:31
- Voted for Do the CA thing and discuss it and decide to - Lambda ViceCinC Enstyne 2008-07-27 20:53:17
  - It's BROKEN though! - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-08-01 15:59:04
    - >RE: It's BROKEN though! - Lambda ViceCinC Enstyne 2008-08-04 06:48:07 <
      - RE: It's BROKEN though! - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-08-04 08:46:01
        RE: It's BROKEN though! - Lambda ViceCinC Enstyne 2008-08-04 18:18:01
        Here are some comparisons then.... -more- - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-08-07 03:38:13
        Here are some potential solutions frod - Gamma Maj Icydemon 2008-08-07 04:50:47
        RE: Here are some potential solutions frod - Ker sefo 2008-08-07 08:41:26
        also... - Ker sefo 2008-08-07 08:45:24
        
        1 other one I just thought of :) --more- - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-08-07 03:40:11
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum - Zeta Mar decoder 2008-07-27 20:38:12
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Alpha LtKer Rae 2008-07-27 20:35:05
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Delta LtKer FrodBonzi 2008-07-27 18:07:40
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Epsilon Maj Pain in the Ass 2008-07-27 16:41:01
  - Gabbana, you cheater! -nt- - Gamma Cpt Icydemon 2008-07-27 21:23:19
- Voted for Switch to one of the numerous open-source for - Gamma Tr k0rn 2008-07-27 15:20:10
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Gamma Cpt Icydemon 2008-07-27 15:07:18
- Voted for Keep this crappy forum [nt] - Gamma Cpt FriSp 2008-07-27 15:00:53

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Message:	On 2008-08-04 06:48:07, Enstyne wrote >No, just that no skilled coders have found that the forums are broken enough for them to go submit patches for it. They have better things to create, they arn't simply "ordered" to go code something. > >Also our backend is very unique. This is a substantial problem for anyone wanting to port another forum on top of dinah's architecture. For one it would have to be in perl, which immeadiately limits the selection of forum software that is portable. Alternatively API wrappers for dinah would have to be written for another language i.e. PHP including the actual porting of the software. Whether this begs the question if CA's unique backend is a disadvantage is another topic though. Also there's a certain effect I always perceive in systems with user interfaces where the people with little knowledge of the underlying infrastructure want changes (in any form). A lot of the little things build up to perform complicated overlapping sets features, in this case it may be the groupware 'topology' and how that interacts with brigades/projects etc, to state a simple example. How things look and the way it 'just works' doesn't accurately reflect what is going on underneath or the complexity involved in achieving it... especially if you've become accustomed to it. Perhaps someone who's good with other forum software can pull out the source of Forum.pm from the svn trunk and give us some sort of analysis on how easy the features would be to port? > >Anyway, I personally don't see any problems with the current system. There's room for improvement, there always is, but I don't see why it should just be replaced entirely - especially when we need to start concentrating on bigger fish to fry. > >On 2008-08-01 15:59:04, FrodBonzi wrote >>Except that it IS broken.... and are you telling me that with all the skilled coders in the CA, it's impossible to adapt another forum to our site?!?! >> >>How about making THAT a project!
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